Daily Morning Discussion

Briefly reviewed question regarding the 144,000;

When there are insufficient individuals to make up the 144,000, yet one may conclude there is already 144,000; is this possible?

As previously established,

When there is insufficient individuals to make the 144,000, then the 144000 in NUMBER is not yet made up; however, even when there is just one person with the character of the 144,000 then there is already 144000 in CHARACTER.

Kalau ada kekurangan individu2 yang membuat 144,000, pertanyaan-nya apakah sudah ada 144,000?

Jawaban pribadi, TIDAK dalam JUMLAH, karena kekurangan individu; ADA (dengan pengertian hanya Tuhan yang tahu siapa mereka ini!) dan karena hanya Tuhan yang tahu, ADA dalam arti saya percaya dengan iman ada!

Yang ditekankan dalam diskusi saat ini, jumlahnya yang belum terbentuk, dan walau hanya satu ada yang hanya Tuhan yang tahu, karakter 144000 sudah ada, nanti saat UUHM, maka 144000 sudah ada dalam jumlah and karakter!

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James 1 : 1

TRIBES (12) = ADA SUMBER JELAS 12 TRIBES

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Revelation 7 : 4

TRIBES (ALL) = SEMUA 144,000 DARI 12 TRIBES ISRAEL YANG DI

SEALED

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3 : 8

THE DISCUSSION,

JAMES 1 : 1, setelah tahun berapa?

James menulis kepada ke 12 SUKU ISRAEL SPIRITUAL

(karena sejak 723BC northern tribes sudah hilang, dan hanya ada 2 southern tribes, berarti yang ke 12

- ADALAH SUKU SPIRITUAL)

723BC, raja Hoshea; 7x, 2520, berakhir 1798;

ROMA 2 : 28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is

outward in the flesh: 29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in

the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

ARTINYA,

Kedua belas bukan angka 12, melainkan SPIRITUALLY 12 yang

melambangkan orang2 Israel rohani!

Angka 12 natural = tidak ada lagi! Ini sisa lambang sajaD

Revelation 7 : 4, And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the (SPIRITUAL) tribes of the children of Israel.

DARI SEMUA SUKU ISRAEL,

Dari segi JUMLAH, ini ada 144000

Jumlah SUKU = SPIRITUAL (karena naturally 10 northern tribes

sudah menjadi gentiles, dan sisa 2 di saat 723AD)

Suku-nya adalah spiritual..

Jumlah orang-nya bagaimana?

AND I HEARD THE NUMBER 144,000 (ayat ini tidak bilang

dia literal atau spiritual), yang PASTI suku adalah SPIRITUAL!

Saya belum bisa bilang ini LITERAL jumlah, dan tidak bisa juga

secara SPIRITUAL.

Revelation 14 : 12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Di Early Writings, p.14, sangat jelas mengatakan, "Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses’ did when he came down from Mount Sinai."

Revelation 7 : 9, After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

INI JUMLAH YANG TIDAK BISA DIHITUNG!

Hanya untuk pengetahuan

JUMLAH ITU TIDAK PENTING UNTUK DIPERDEBATKAN, KARENA YANG LEBIH PENTING, KATA ROH NUBUAT, APAKAH KAMU TERGOLONG DALAM MEREKA?

2 PETER 3 : 8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

144,000 / 1000 = 144

144 ADALAH kelipatan 12 x 12

12 adalah jumlah suku di Israel (yang sudah tidak ada

secara natural)

James 1 : 1 = ada 12 suku

artinya, setiap suku kontribusi satu orang

144,000 dari semua suku; satu tiap suku x 12 suku

artinya,

12 tribe x 12 = 144 x 1000 = 144,0000

BUKAN JUMLAH YANG PERLU DI PENTINGKAN!

pendapat pribadi adalah JUMLAH

tetapi yang terpenting adalah KARAKTERNYA

yang bisa saya miliki!